iMovie ‘08 trepidations
John Gruber writes:
I totally believe Jobs’s story that it’s a complete re-write. The old iMovie was a good app, as a sort of stripped-down consumer-level Final Cut — but it still wasn’t any good for just putting clips together in a few minutes.
This makes very little sense to me. What about those of us who want to spend time working on their movies but who want to avoid Final Cut Pro/Express? Who expects to be able to do great things in just a couple of minutes?
When I make a movie, what I like to do is pick out a soundtrack, and then layout the clips in time with the music. I also like to adjust the volume curves to have different sounds fade in and out as appropriate. In the iMovie ‘08 tutorials I’ve seen, you don’t get a timeline anymore. You get a box. You don’t get an audio waveform anymore. You get a shade of green in the box background.
I’m still going to buy iLife ‘08, in the hopes that these features are still enabled somewhere. But I’m going to hide my iMovie ‘06 application where it can’t be deleted in case it sucks.
The irony is that I was just telling a co-worker how iMovie is my favorite piece of software, of all time. The explorability of the software, with its undo-everywhere, was key. I still believe that unless you’re working with two video cameras, iMovie will serve most of your needs.
When I worked at an art school, I would teach students how to use iMovie, and I would always stress how important it was to experiment and that it didn’t matter if they made mistakes, because you could always undo. I’m sure undo is still a big part of the program. But getting rid of timelines seems too big a step away from traditional movie editing.
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Christine said,
August 8, 2007 @ 3:09 am
Just installed ilife ‘08, my interest is in imovie, CAN NOT find the timeline like in ‘06, am I missing something here? I need to be able to control volume, fade and just be creative. If anyone figures it out please let me know.
Rich said,
August 8, 2007 @ 9:43 am
No timeline? No waveforms? Only global changes possible to the audio track? This makes iMovie ‘08 a complete nonstarter for me. WTF was Apple thinking? They took a great tool and dumbed it down and made it pretty. Sickening.
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August 9, 2007 @ 9:08 am
Marcos said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:21 am
It seems like they should have called this new “iMovie” something else and made it an additional program or a compliment to iMovie but not its replacement. And, they could have added AVCHD importing to iMovie ‘06 for that matter. I’m with you all, unimpressed with iMovie ‘08.
evgen said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:27 am
Check your Applications folder. You will see the previous version of iMovie sitting in a folder called “iMovie (previous version)”, so no need to get your panties in a twist.
Nate said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:30 am
I haven’t used it yet, but it looks like the volume is do-able clip-by-clip (from the “Polish” iMovie ‘08 page):
Adjust your video and view your changes in real time, with sliders for exposure, brightness, contrast, saturation, and a new white point control. And adjust the audio levels for each clip to give your movie a consistent, comfortable volume. Color and audio controls are presented in floating palettes that can be placed anywhere on the screen.
Matt Moriarity said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:41 am
Rich: the new iMovie is a complete rewrite. They didn’t take a great tool and dumb it down. They replaced a great tool with a new product that, being such, is likely to have a few kinks to workout and a few missing features. If they had based this off the old iMovie, this would be inexcusable. But this iMovie is brand new, so cut it some slack. Also, iMovie ‘06 is still available for download for iLife ‘08 users.
Jack said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:44 am
“But I’m going to hide my iMovie ‘06 application where it can’t be deleted in case it sucks.”
The installer preserves iMovie ‘06 automatically. In addition, Apple has made a download of iMovie ‘06 available (but it will only install if you have iLife ‘08 installed already).
Quinn Taylor said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:45 am
Apple must have planned ahead and realized that some people might not like it, and have provided a way to roll back.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
I’m sure iMovie ‘08 will be a bit hit with some audiences, but with a big enough response from “professional amateurs”, maybe the old app will stick around…
Jeff said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:46 am
Apple is now offering iMovie ‘06 as a download for free with iLife ‘08.
Gerry said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:49 am
No need to make a backup copy of ‘06. I just ran the iLife ‘08 installer and it graciously kept a moved old iMovie HD to Applications -> iMovie (previous version).
Joel said,
August 9, 2007 @ 9:57 am
FWIW, GarageBand does the music syncing part now. I don’t know why iDVD doesn’t just get the chapter markers in it. Never made much sense from an end user perspective to do it in iMovie 06 only. Yeah, timeline seems like an easy additional mode, sort of a full-screen edit kind of potential thing. (Geez, listen to my great English!)
Tim said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Agreed. iMovie 08 may be easier for my mother to use, but the lack of a timeline view, as well as audio adjustments within a clip/track, is a big step backwards. Maybe Apple wants such users to go to Final Cut Express, but for me, the whole argument that Macs come with all the software you’d want or need no longer holds. Very sad.
TallyHoh - tylerhunt's Items said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Geo said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Gruber’s being a little too positive about this one, methinks.
I haven’t used the new version… or the old one much, but it definitely sounds like the new iMovie should have been an additional program in iLife, not a replacement.
judson said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:18 am
sheesh! just use ‘06.
Scopi said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:20 am
I guess it’s more fun to complain than actually get all the facts, but iLife ‘08 doesn’t replace iMovie ‘06. In fact, you can even download iMovie ‘06 by itself.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
Art said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:23 am
As a Final Cut user, I’ve despised iMovie for years. It was always much harder for me to work with than Final Cut when teaching people, which seems completely backward. iMovie 08 looks worlds better for putting together quick edits. I agree that more care should have been taken with sound, but people need to sit down and try the new features without bringing their iMovie 06 baggage with them.
The loss of plugins and templates can really only make people more creative, and keep them from embarrassing themselves with filters and the like.
mick said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:25 am
Your iMovie ‘06 copy won’t be deleted. Apple knows some people will like that version better. You can now download it:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
http://www.macuser.com/software/grab_imovie_hd_06_for_free_1.php
Chris said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:25 am
iMovie HD can now be downloaded for free from Apple’s website if you own iLife ‘08. Try this website:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
Also, I have heard that when installing iLife ‘08, it copies iMovie HD to a folder in the Applications folder. Something along the lines of “Old versions of iMovie.” Also, macosxhints is currently running a hint on how to copy your folder of iMovie HD themes and files to another folder so you don’t lose those custom themes when you install iMovie ‘08.
Personally, I love iMovie HD and think that iMovie ‘08 will be a nice addition. My one complaint about iMovie HD was how long it took just to get everything in place. My plan now is to use iMovie ‘08 to piece the movie together and then use iMovie HD to change audio levels, apply filters, etc. if I can’t find that functionality in iMovie ‘08. And it is not that hard to take an audio clip, adjust where it starts using Quicktime and use that for your soundtrack. There are even free audio editing app’s if you don’t want to buy Quicktime Pro.
Also, making iMovie HD and iMovie ‘08 two separate apps would just confuse people. Apple would really love pro-sumers to just buy final cut express (which I won’t do, you have seen my plan), but making two apps would just confuse the demographic at which the new iMovie is targeted. This is a better idea.
한RSS said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:33 am
Ole M said,
August 9, 2007 @ 10:45 am
For me the new iMovie looks great! I mean, I still have FCE for more heavy video editing but its great that I don’t have to break it out and spend hours when I’m only trying to make a short home movie for family and friends…
mike chambers said,
August 9, 2007 @ 11:01 am
My guess is that iMovie HD was starting to compete with Final Cut on the low end.
Apple has already made it more difficult to export HD video in 16 x 9 format with a recent update (you have to open it in QuickTime Pro after export and resave at correct ratio).
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303177
mike
fitzage said,
August 9, 2007 @ 11:02 am
On the flip side, iMovie hadn’t really progressed much since the original version. It was better, but not by much. I’ve even had a couple of people tell me that Windows Movie Maker was easier to use!!
If you want full audio control, send it to Garage Band. If you want to use the old iMovie, use it. But the new iMovie is a huge revolution in usability for people who don’t want to screw around with every little detail.
Rich said,
August 9, 2007 @ 11:04 am
“Also, making iMovie HD and iMovie ‘08 two separate apps would just confuse people.”
Ummm…they ARE!
I’ve been using a Mac since the days of PageMaker Version 1, and I’ve never seen a more egregious example of Mac zealotry than I’m witnessing here. People–they left out CHAPTER STOPS, for crying out loud! What good is iDVD? Oh, that’s right: King Steve says “some people still like to make DVDs”, as though it’s an antiquated technology not worthy of his attention.
I’ve never seen Apple take so many features OUT of a product with a new revision. Those of us that really use all the features of iMovie HD understand just how much of a mess this new version is.
And using an old version is not the answer, either. iLife apps tend to be very tightly integrated, and you can bet Apple won’t support iMovie HD anywhere near as well as this new hobbled disappointment.
And to “nate”, who quoted Apple thusly: “adjust the audio levels for each clip to give your movie a consistent, comfortable volume.”, that’s exactly the problem. I need to be able to edit audio WITHIN the clip. I could give you examples, but it would be pointless. Bottom line the fact that instead of three audio clips with adjustable volumes we now have (essentially) one with the ability to only adjust globally for the whole clip–that’s ridiculous.
Anyway. I won’t convince the casual user. But this is a mess, sorry.
addicted said,
August 9, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Apple has treated this perfectly. Being a new app, there is no way that it could have included all the features from iMovie 06. So to provide iMovie 06 will allow users to access the more featured version if they need it, and at the same time, allow people who want to just join clips, etc a great option in 08.
Chris said,
August 9, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Well, personally, I never liked iMovie. It seemed to be oddly positioned between “too hard for my parents to use” and “not powerful enough for my needs”. I always had to use Final Cut (I know, at $299 minimum, it’s not the most accessible choice) to get anything done. So I’m glad to see old-iMovie get the axe and I’m looking forward to the new one since I think I’ll be able to have a lot of fun with it for simpler things. And I’ll keep using Final Cut when I need to be picky. What a wonderful world! Thanks, Apple, and keep up the great work!
taybin said,
August 9, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Well, I’m happy they’re making the old iMovie still available. I very much want the new iPhoto.
I’m still hopeful they’ll add a timeline to the new iMovie.
I really don’t care about the effects and templates. I pretty much hated all the templates and most of the effects were super cheesy.
My main complaint is that I loved the old iMovie, and the new iMovie has such great scrubbing features. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want both and be disappointed at the end-of-life of the original iMovie.
Mark J Musante said,
August 9, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Question: can you import AVHDC video into iMovie ‘08 and then edit with iMovie ‘06 or FCE? Are there plugins for FCE to handle AVHDC? I’d like to get the Panasonic camera, but only if I can actually edit the video!
Chris said,
August 9, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
Rich: thank you. You nailed it. I have to assume that most of the people that think the new iMovie is just hunky dory or that a freaking timeline is a “feature” that Apple will get around to adding, cause they can’t do everything at once, have never really used iMovie much to its full advantage.
I’m truly shocked by how crippled the new paradigm is. It’s actually not an editing app at all, anymore, its a clip assembler.
Is this the new paradigm? Fast, dumb, and crude? I’m supposed to be thrilled because I can “make movies” with almost no thought or care and toss em on YouTube, all in 30 seconds? Why edit my raw camera footage at all? Just shoot and upload– that’s real ease of use, and make even the new iMovie look like a slug!
Joe said,
August 9, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
When iLife 08 installs, it keeps the iMovie 06 around so you can still use it if you want.
iMovie 08 is vastly superior to the previous version. The audio editing is not as smooth, but I understand that you edit the audio soundtrack in garageband anyway.
You canadjust clips to music and vice versa…. its just done in a different way.
In all the areas of import to people who want a searious video editing application– but not yet ready for FCE, iMovie 08 is fantastic– you don’t have to limit your projects to a particular video codec, you can manage large numbers of clips, you can do non-destructive cut,s you can use the same footage in multiple projects without duplicating it, etc.
Joe Bartender said,
August 9, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Wow. I’m surprised people have such harsh feelings towards the new iMovie. I primarily use Final Cut, but from time to time would use iMovie 06 to try together something quick and I always found it pretty frustrating. From the perspective of editing pictures, iMovie 08 looks way better. And like people have mentioned the idea is to use Garage Band to mix the sound. The apps work together kind of like Final Cut and Soundtrack. Anyway, I’m pretty excited about it and looking forward to spending a lot more time experimenting with it.
The Wasteland said,
August 9, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Design-Feed Latest said,
August 9, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
jhn said,
August 9, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
@Chris
Something like iMovie 08 was needed. Easily snipping and assembling some clips is all that most people who make home movies need to do. Why should they have to learn anything extra?
taybin said,
August 9, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
@jhn
Having a timeline view doesn’t mean you have to use it. Apple might be optimizing for home movies, but they’re optimizing for crappy home movies. I don’t see why they should exclude people who care about their output.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the original iMovie tutorial wasn’t reproducible in the new iMovie 08. Remember the one with the kids washing the shaggy dog? I should try to find it.
Brian Peat said,
August 9, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
I think what Apple did was realized the majority of Mac users weren’t using iMovie. So instead of offering TWO entry level movie apps, they simply dumped the more advanced one and went with a version that nearly anyone could open and use. We can argue whether that was a good or bad idea, but I have a feeling MORE people are going to use iMovie now, not less.
The problem is, the current iMovie fans HATE it (with good reason). I think what Apple needs to do is create an new entry level title and effects app (prefabbed templates and a tiny bit of tweaking available) and package it with Final Cut Express. I think many of you current iMovie fans would move up if they’d do that.
Stephen Silver said,
August 9, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
This new version of iMovie reminds me of when I tried editing with Newtek’s Video Toaster editor, their first attempt at a non linear system. This was in 97, and they too thought ditching the timeline would be better. This “Crouton” method of editing is maddening if you ever want to do anything more with sound, or to get a visual idea of your pace. I have been working with video for years, and every editor is timeline based for a reason. Needless to say, the VT guys ditched that idea a few years later. I am sure this is fine for quickly throwing together clips without important audio on them and thoughtlessly laying a sountrack to it, but for doing anything else it will be a nightmare. Apple just said a big F You to many a happy imovie user and told them to go buy FCE, or use an out of date app.
Apple did want to solve the problem of timeline based editors being complicated and taking a long time to put out simple videos, but the answer was not to trash so many features, it was to support different modes. And no, making 2 year old software free is not the same.
A good example of apple doing this right is, ironically, in one of my least favorite production apps, DVD Studio Pro. When you open the app, it gives you the choice of three modes: basic, extended, advanced. That is the way to do it here.
James said,
August 9, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Oh boo hoo. Maybe you should get iMovie 08 before saying how bad it is.
Frankly it looks perfect for me and I assume the majority of Apple users. I have tons of video taken with my digital camera and iMovie HD just took too long to string together something quick and easy. I am not trying to make a master piece. I just want to share a few minutes of video with friends and family.
I don’t want to mail everyone a CD and I don’t want to to be bothered with a million details. I just want to pick my favourite clips from my video and string them together with a soundtrack and some polish.
Looks like iLife08 fits the bill. Also looks 1,000 times better than anything for windows.
surferboi said,
August 9, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
As a Mac user and software developer since 1985, I can’t think of a more intelligent thing Apple has done with a piece of software. What many of you fail to realize is that applications across the board fall prey to the dreaded disease of “creaping featuritis” and become bogged down after several years of upgrades (Anyone use MS Word lately?). It took stones to remove features from a popular application. Did anyone ever ask why? Because after so many years, iMovie has become big, bloated, slow and filled with features the :majority: of users, including a multimedia pimp like me, never ever use. Plug-ins?..meh…used a few free ones a couple of times. Timelines? Rarely needed them for quick stuff. If I need to edit, I use FCP. Step up and buy it, or use ‘06, and quit yer b*tchin’
People, have we forgotten Apple’s main credo? Simplicity rules. I dare anyone to make a decent movie faster in ‘06 than they can in ‘08, given similar familiarity and experience level in each application. It looks like a great way to introduce a whole new group of users to video editing. And that’s a good thing.
Bahi said,
August 9, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
iMovie 08 is for people who use the application less deeply and more widely. For a lot of us, moving video today is just like snapshot photography. We have a lot of footage that’s shot without a particular project in mind. Like Gruber, I have a stack of tapes with unconnected clips (mostly travel, in my case) that didn’t suit the “My Great Movie” approach.
I don’t even have any idea whether it will all end up as one output project or not but key is the ability to quickly access and skim through all my existing footage, picking bits here and there, _every time I start a project_.
After several years of these tapes just sitting there, I feel it’s worthwhile transferring the data from miniDV to disk – this is the app I’ve been waiting for. I’m also a lot happier at the prospect of being able to flip though years of mobile phone and digicam clips. I’m not after pro movies – iMovie ‘08 is a winner for me.
Jerry said,
August 9, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Very interesting discussion, people. I, for one, side with those who are really looking forward to iMovie ‘08. Ever since GB3 came out, I’ve been scoring my videos there, so any loss of audio control will not be a big drawback. I’m also really looking forward to other features not yet mentioned here, such as the ability to crop and rotate clips or more easily adjust clips via sliders. I agree that getting rid of the timeline was a big move, but I’m looking forward to the new paradigm just the same.
Lane said,
August 10, 2007 @ 8:10 am
iMovie was the *primary* reason I bought a Mac in the first place. Now that Apple has crippled it so severely, my choice going forward is either to move up to Final Cut Express/Pro (which *still* doesn’t support AVCHD), or some flavor of Avid for my home PC.
Either way, I’ve got to invest both time and money into a new program, and given a choice, I’m going to go with the cheaper/more powerful hardware (i.e. my PC). Sorry Herr Jobs, you lose.
Scott said,
August 10, 2007 @ 8:39 am
Heh. I like how the common response to “the new version I paid for kinda sucks” is “use the old version you had already”.
endekks said,
August 10, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Exactly, or I love how so many people here say “You should read / pay attention because iMovie ‘06 is not deleted and can e downloaded from Apple’s site for ‘08 users”. Ironic that you lambast him for not reading, and yet so many of you essentially posted the exact same reply.
Additionally, he said he was still going to buy and recommend it to others. He just said for his needs that ‘08 did not fit the bill. Who are you to lambast him for that? Heaven forbid someone has a different opinion than you.
Sheesh people.
SRF said,
August 10, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Dear Steve J,
Please give us back our timeline/sound tracing as an option on iMovie 08 as soon as possible. How can we sync our transitions to the beat of the music? By the way, thanks for improving the controls for the Ken Burns Effect.
SRF
malcolm said,
August 10, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Chris said: ‘Is this the new paradigm? Fast, dumb, and crude? I’m supposed to be thrilled because I can “make movies” with almost no thought or care and toss em on YouTube, all in 30 seconds?’
The answer is yes. That’s what it’s for: Thats the new paradigm. Surf YT for a few days and then ask about production values again. Video is now like software: do it fast, iterate for quality. Oh, its video: no iterations. Too bad about the quality… Understanding the audience means understanding that most YT viewers are watching on PC’s with sh*tty speakers and cannot hear your sound anyway. It’s like a big dogme 95 experiment, no lights, no effects, room sound only, and the whole world has embraced it.
so: appropriate tool for the job.
*if* YouTube is your marketplace then the new iMovie should be ok
*if* not, don’t use it, it’s targeted functionality will feel to limited and make you crazy.
Or wasn’t that clear?
David said,
August 10, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
I got my start with video editing on iMovie 05, and when iMovie 06 came out, I was the happiest kid alive. Today I got my copy of iLife 08 and after 5 minutes of messing around with iMovie 08, I realized that there were no themes, no effects, no timeline, etc. I feel like Apple has seriously let down iMovie users and really anyone else interested in getting into editing. It’s not like they made the program simpler. It’s probably much more confusing to use, littered with more professional terms like kerning, NTSC, etc. I really think they’ve mixed everything up with this one. Apple keeps spouting the fact that iMovie 08 can edit high-def footage, but as they’re targeting home movie makers with crappy cameras, who cares?
Really, they’ve removed the creative process from editing, assuming that most of us only want to be creative and pay attention to detail while filming. iMovie 06 isn’t a hard program. Actually, it took me tons more time to get used to all the features of garageband (which is deeper than any other iLife app). I worked up from iMovie to final cut pro, motion, etc, and I feel like this new version will be a roadblock for anyone wanting to do more with video.
Carl Sanburg said,
August 10, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
The elemental difference between static media such as print or slideshows, and movies is time. Time is the all-important Z-axis.
The obfuscation of time in iMovie 08 is the fundamental issue and iMovie 08’s fatal flaw. Because of this omission, iMovie 08 does not fit on a trajectory for upgrading, (i.e. GarageBand > Logic Express > Logic Pro) which require the applications share basic principles. iMovie 08’s paradigm is not the same as the applications that would logically be the next stepping-stones for the video student (FCP Express > FCP). It teaches nothing about the intersection of elements at key points in time — a core principle of movie making.
Instead, iMovie 08 serves only as a clip-production tool for: A) already accomplished FCP editors who, because of the lack of user-scripting support in FCP, don’t have access to automation tools that could produce iMovie 08 output without the need for a stand-alone application; or B) YouTube enthusiasts to whom concepts of composition and flow are largely irrelevant or rudimentary.
My own instincts tell me that Apple has made a mistake in replacing iMovie with this clip tool, and will pay for it in the Education market. Apple has violated its own mission statement — they have divorced the sublime and embraced the banal.
ClydesKid said,
August 10, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
” It took stones to remove features from a popular application. Did anyone ever ask why? Because after so many years, iMovie has become big, bloated, slow and filled with features the :majority: of users, including a multimedia pimp like me, never ever use” – surferboi
Uh, iMovie ‘08 weighs in at 117.4 megs, the iMovie download clocks in at 154. 60 megs that hardly makes it bloatware when one considers it is much more feature rich. It wasn’t bloat it was functionality. iMovie HD sitting in my apps folder is only 85.1 megs oddly enough.
There are cool features in the ‘08 version. I can see how you can put together a video in a short time. But if one wants to put together an interesting movie or a creative movie, then well, you are sort of screwed. Remember owning a Mac was supposed to make you more creative?
The only comparison I would make with a Microsoft product to an Apple product would be the new iMovie.
I also don’t understand the crowd that shoots the messenger whenever Apple lays an egg and their precious company is called on it. “Just use iMovie HD then and quit whining.” they say. Well then send me a check for the 79 bucks I am out.
You just don’t introduce a piece of software, tout it is a revolutionary and then make it substantially less than what it replaces.
Can you make a movie in the new one, yeah. Can you make it as good as the old version, no.
I think they spent their wad on the pretty but equally dumbed down smart phone.
I wasted 79 bucks and change. I know, I know. Caveat Emptor.
mally said,
August 11, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Biggest problem to me with iMovie 08 is the inability to vary the speed of clips. Without the option to use slo-mo, it’s almost useless to me as a way of producing a proper edit. Sorry.
Lawrence Tureaud said,
August 11, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Then don’t install it, nimrod. People like you make me wish there was a way to punch people in the face over the internet.
Nathan said,
August 11, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
I found this discussion while trying to find out if I can keep a copy of iMovie HD while getting the new version. I am glad that you can run both. It is unfortunate that old projects don’t really survive the upgrade, you pretty much have to remake them when you bring them to ‘08. That’s a good reason to run both on your machine. I love iMovieHD and will probably keep using it. The clip library (a ala iPhoto) feature in the new one is sweet and will probably make things easier in the future. However, lack of precise controls, is a shortfall…
Good discussion here!
Rich said,
August 11, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
[quote comment="61"]Then don’t install it, nimrod. People like you make me wish there was a way to punch people in the face over the internet.[/quote]
Ah, the voice of reason.
Listen, Mr. Turdroad, or whatever your name is…you’re missing the point. Apple as end-of-lifed a great program, and introduced something vastly inferior in its place. iMovie ‘08 is not being marketed as a “new” program (check the version number if you don’t believe me) but rather as a revolutionary upgrade. It’s not. It’s a downgrade. That’s what has us bothered. It’s amazing that clowns like you insist that “all you need to do is use the old version!” as if that’s a viable long-term solution. Eventually, it will wither on the vine, and we’ll be stuck with this inferior POS. Instead of making some very minor changes to a great program to solve some shortcomings, Apple kicked us in the cajones, then told us it’s our problem if we complain that it hurts.
Carl Sanburg said,
August 11, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
I wonder if Adobe is going to use the iMovie 08 debacle as an opportunity to bring Premier Elements to the Mac?
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August 11, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
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Brickwell said,
August 11, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Look, I paid for iMovie ‘08 and expected it to improve upon ‘06. It doesn’t. It’s a terrible downgrade. I thought it was just non-intuitive until I realized the features were no longer there. Steve Jobs must think we are all idiots who can’t create anything beyond fingerpainting if he believes this is what we want. Did anyone ask for this mess of an app? It sucks and I want my $80 back. better yet, I want them to improve iMovie HD like they should have done. A major stumble on Apple’s part. Time for Jobs to go.
boyacole said,
August 12, 2007 @ 11:57 am
new users will like the you easy youtubeness but get frustrated after a month when they want to make a really creative movie…
APPLE MUST FIX THIS WE NEED EFFECTS A WAY OF SCRUBBING, FRAME ACCURACY AND OUR SOUND MIXING BACK!!!!!! STORM THE GATES EMAIL THEM THEY MUST FIX THIS!!!!
iOnMac said,
August 12, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Paul said,
August 12, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
Initially I thought it was cool when editing some snowboarding footage – really quick to find the bits in the clips and put them together.
Then, hmmn, how do a multiselect a sequence of clips to move from one place in the movie to another?
Hmmn, where are all the cool titles and transitions?
Hey, where the hell is slow motion! What! no slow motion????!??
WTF! I can’t even set envelopes on my audio clips!!!
The One said,
August 13, 2007 @ 2:00 am
[quote comment="29"]“Also, making iMovie HD and iMovie ‘08 two separate apps would just confuse people.”
Ummm…they ARE!
I’ve been using a Mac since the days of PageMaker Version 1, and I’ve never seen a more egregious example of Mac zealotry than I’m witnessing here. People–they left out CHAPTER STOPS, for crying out loud! What good is iDVD? Oh, that’s right: King Steve says “some people still like to make DVDs”, as though it’s an antiquated technology not worthy of his attention.
I’ve never seen Apple take so many features OUT of a product with a new revision. Those of us that really use all the features of iMovie HD understand just how much of a mess this new version is.
And using an old version is not the answer, either. iLife apps tend to be very tightly integrated, and you can bet Apple won’t support iMovie HD anywhere near as well as this new hobbled disappointment.
And to “nate”, who quoted Apple thusly: “adjust the audio levels for each clip to give your movie a consistent, comfortable volume.”, that’s exactly the problem. I need to be able to edit audio WITHIN the clip. I could give you examples, but it would be pointless. Bottom line the fact that instead of three audio clips with adjustable volumes we now have (essentially) one with the ability to only adjust globally for the whole clip–that’s ridiculous.
Anyway. I won’t convince the casual user. But this is a mess, sorry.[/quote]
Since when has iMovie ever had support for ONLY three or two audio tracks, not including iMovie ‘08? If you import several audio clips into iMovie HD ‘06, or earlier, you will find that you can overlap them, thus giving no limit to how many audio tracks you can play simultaneously in iMovie. In fact, I highly criticize Windows Movie Maker for not including this feature!
-The One
SRF said,
August 13, 2007 @ 6:02 am
Has anyone tried actually making a movie? I’ve been working with a 1st gen Intel iMac and it stinks. I’m two minutes into the video and bugs galore have cropped up. For example, moving a clip from the end to in between two prior clips causes the clipline to go gray. It only comes back when I switch to another project and back. I think the computer is getting hung up with the rendering and the new “simplified” GUI doesn’t let you know what is happening.
I found the sound tracing. Select the green music area and then right click. One of the menu choices is “Trim Music”. It replaces the clips with a sound waveformthat is black where the clips have been placed over the music. You can trim the beginning and you already know it automatically trims the end. Wow, is this crude and barely useful. What is keeping Apple from displaying the video clips and sound tracing together like a timelin
SRF said,
August 13, 2007 @ 6:14 am
Despite my complaints (see above) there are a few very good new things. The color adjustment feature is really helpful and the ability to crop a video is fantastic. I already commented on how good the new Ken Burns selection GUI works.
Back to complaints, The program is very “not Apple” in refusing to allow drag and drop into the event window. It insists you drop new clips onto the selected event library title. Why? It also often refuses (error message with no advice) to accept drag and drop of certain movie clips from iPhoto. If I take that clip to the desktop, it will accept the drag/drop from the desktop. Why?
The One said,
August 13, 2007 @ 6:41 am
Well, I have chosen not to upgrade to iLife ‘08 due to my Mac mini G4 not being able to support iMovie ‘08, but believe me, I am a veteran iMovie user!
Ah, I remember experimenting with the application back in the Mac OS 9 days! Back then, the application would only support DV footage, and I had to convert video within QuickTime Pro, then import it into iMovie in order to edit it!
I hope to buy a Macbook Pro in the future, if I ever do, and only then I will have a chance to experiment with iMovie ‘08!
But really people, it is a new application! Just like the old OS 9 iMovie that only supported DV footage, iMovie ’08’s features will take time to develop!
And remember the iPhone? There are rumors that in October, before Leopard’s release, the iPhone will receive a major update, including an update to version 3 of the Safari web browser(Safari on the iPhone is not currently at version 3. This explains the lack of Flash and Java, as Apple hopes to optimize it for the Safari 3 web browser and has decided against a beta build for the iPhone.), Flash and Java support, a file browser with a cover flow view, and iChat!
This is not Bill Gates, this is Steve Jobs! For now, I recommend people use iMovie ‘08 and download iMovie HD ‘06 from the Apple website! Use Both! They both have potential! Give the application a little time until October! With Leopard and a major iPhone update pending … I’m sure this will also be the month iMovie ‘08 will receive something special, too!
-The One
alchemy said,
August 13, 2007 @ 8:44 am
Yes, the new iMovie is pretty.
Yes, I think it is perfect if you have a bunch of home movies and you want to quickly put together a nice-looking video.
However, what has happened here is something that I feel has happened all too often with upgrades to Apple software. Steve Jobs and the engineers take a piece of software, decide what they think “most people” are going to be using it for, and then make it a lot better at doing that. Unfortunately, this often makes it much more difficult for other people to use it for their other, equally valid uses.
I like how easy it makes it ot edit your home movies, and I think that is a good thing. I think it will get many more people using iMovie. I like the video library.
However, Apple has ignored the needs of all those people out there who use iMovie semi-professionally. Where’s the TIMELINE? Where are the video effects? Where are all the things that allow you to create a professional-looking movie without shelling out $299 for Final Cut express? I don’t want Final Cut. I just want a video editor that is easy to use, yet has lots of features. I want iMovie HD ‘06.
And yes, I can continue to use iMovie HD ‘06, since iMovie ‘08 helpfully does not delete the old version. However, it’s a bit of a shame because there are some parts of iMovie ‘06 that could definitely do with improvement, and I’d have liked to see them improved.
And just the fact that Apple specifically has iMovie ‘08 not delete the old version, and that they offer a download of the old version from their website, shows that they are aware of the fact that some people are going to be unhappy with the capabilities of the new version. Why, then, didn’t they simply include the new iMovie in iLife as a separate application from the old iMovie, and make small improvements to the old iMovie as well. Or, since I think it is a valid argument that two video editing apps could be confusing to some users, use the new iMovie, but within the new iMovie, offer the option to create an iMovie project in the style of the old iMovie, complete with a timeline, audio waveforms, video effects, and all the other things that we have come to take for granted in iMovie.
iMovie '08: First Mysteriously Crappy, Then Just Shit (randomlyhumming) said,
August 13, 2007 @ 9:58 am
MacHeist » Forums » iMovie '08 Controversy said,
August 13, 2007 @ 11:13 am
dorsey said,
August 13, 2007 @ 11:49 am
Disappointing. Instead of replacing iMovie HD, the latest iteration should have been called iMovie Express and offered alongside its predecessor. It seems like a slap in the face for Apple to turn its back on legitimate hobbyists to cater to a broader, but more mediocre constituency.
Dave said,
August 13, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Yup, just bought the new iMovie ‘08. I also feel it’s a giant leap backwards. If you, like me, frequently sync video to an audio track, forget it. I don’t know how you could do it in this version.
There are some cool aspects. The skimming feature is especially nice, and beautifully implemented. I’m sure Apple had their reasons for doing what they did, and I’m a big Apple fan and supporter, but this version simply will not work for me. Also, be aware that if you own GeeThree’s Slick plug-ins, they will not work with this version, and know first-hand that Apple has not allowed GeeThree to even look at the new code, so any Slick upgrades will be a long time coming, if they ever come at all.
I was a bit intimidated my Final Cut Express, and always fell back to iMovie ‘06, in spite of its limitations. Guess it’s time to upgrade my FCE, and hang onto ‘06. iMovie ‘08 just will not work for me at all.
Do you think iMovie 08 sucks? Tell Apple about it. - ehMac.ca said,
August 13, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Marian said,
August 14, 2007 @ 6:35 am
I just made my first 3 projects using iMovie 08, and yes it was quick and dirty, but great for “home movies”. I am not one to read manuals, I just like to experiment (which is why I have a mac) and I never used iMovie 06. Apple has targeted iLife 08 at people like me, pushing “ease of use” to get more people to try a mac and increase market share. It seems to me that imovie 08 is a good introductory program, but I can see wanting to “upgrade” to features like timelines and audio wave control in the future. It would be great if Apple could find a way to make these optional add-ons.
Paul Mezenko said,
August 14, 2007 @ 7:21 am
Umm … you know, Marian, iLife ‘08 users can download iMovie ‘06 HD off of Apple’s website for free.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
You should really try it out! For people who are very meticulous when it comes to video editing and professionalism, yet do not feel like diving into Final Cut Pro just yet, it is a perfect application!
iMovie HD ’06’s “Aged Film” filter is by far the best one I have ever seen! The effect is very realistic, as opposed to Geethree’s Slick plugin and even Apple’s own QuickTime Pro filter! (Of course, I highly recommend Geethree’s Slick effects! I am simply proving a point that Geethree has only made a significant mistake with ONE of their effects! The others substantially make up for it!
)
Another thing I love about iMovie HD ‘06 that, by far, makes Windows Movie Maker look very weak … support for more than two tracks of audio! Although it may look like there are two fields into which you may import your audio, you will find that you can OVERLAP the audio clips over one another! This has been a key feature ever since iMovie’s inception, most likely, for I have been an avid user of the application back in the OS 9 era! Unluckily, not every iMovie user knows this, and, very unluckily, Apple stripped this key feature in their latest release!
I suggest you use both of the iMovie applications to your advantage if you want the best movie-making experience there is!
-The One
P.S. GeeThree’s Slick effects are very professional video effects created for the purpose of making iMovie the video creation application ever! They do not work with iMovie ‘08, though, and Apple has not yet issued the company the code used in the new application! iMovie ‘08 is a completely new application in terms of coding….
Roger said,
August 14, 2007 @ 9:07 am
Certainly, Imovie 08 is the weakest program in the Ilife 08 suite. Imovie is now too simple, and it lacks many basic functions. I mean, yes, you can get Final Cut if you want the timeline, and full control over sound, bu the fact is that imovie 08 is slower than the old and more complete IMovie HD. The skimming feature is just pointless (I want it to skim when I tell the program to skim, not all the time… the program is slow like as hell because it tries to skim all over my projects and library when I move the mouse pointer around the screen). I REALLY hope Jobs decides to release an update for IMovie 08 that makes it faster and, if possible, that restores some of the old functionalities in Imovie HD. The thing is that I have already trashed Imovie HD (my fault), and I might need something better than 08. This seems like a smart move from Jobs to make people buy Final Cut Express.
What the hell is Jobs thinking?? The last Safari beta, the last Quicktime update, Leopard delayed till October, etc. This is starting to piss me off.
Good thing that Iphoto 08 is great, Idvd 08 is good too, and Iweb is good as well.
Cheers
Rich said,
August 14, 2007 @ 11:02 am
[quote comment="82"]What the hell is Jobs thinking? … This is starting to piss me off.[/quote]
Personally, I think it’s the Intel Cocktails they’re serving up in the Cupertino Cafeteria. While the service is fast, it’s clouded their thinking.
alchemy said,
August 14, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
[quote post="46"]The thing is that I have already trashed Imovie HD[/quote]
You can download iMovie HD again from here:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
Dan Connolly said,
August 16, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
I have used iMovie for the past seven years. I’ve produced everything from family events to corporate videos. The program was very flexible and you could do a lot with it.
I was really looking forward to the latest version thinking they would make the usual improvements and blow me away. Well they blew me away all right but not in the way I had wished for.
This “idiot proof” version doesn’t make the grade. It’s a cheap hand-holding crap app designed for people with little or no imagination or skill. Now I’m going to be forced to use FCE which is much much harder to learn and requires way more processing muscle.
And THAT’s what I think this is all about. People weren’t using FCE and FCP because they could get what they needed in iMovie. This is nothing more than Microsoft-style squeeze to get more people to buy the more expensive apps.
As a graphic designer I also hate the glossy screen and the flimsy keyboard that comes with the new iMac. Then again you don’t want people using prosumer apps and gear for professional purposes do you?
To those of you who argue the iMovie 06 is available I say it’s just the beginning of the end for the iMovie many of us love. Support for 06 will stop sooner than later and It will slowly fade away as system requirements leave it in the dust.
Shame on you Steve Jobs.
PS: Your phone sucks too! Crappy camera & way too expensive.
Dan Connolly said,
August 16, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
To those of you who argue the iMovie 06 is available I say it’s just the beginning of the end for the iMovie many of us love. Support for 06 will stop sooner than later and It will slowly fade away as system requirements leave it in the dust.
The One said,
August 17, 2007 @ 3:40 am
[quote comment="86"]I have used iMovie for the past seven years. I’ve produced everything from family events to corporate videos. The program was very flexible and you could do a lot with it.
You do not have to use Final Cut Pro or Final Cut Express! iLife ‘08 users are entitled to a free download of iMovie HD ‘06!
This “idiot proof” version doesn’t make the grade. It’s a cheap hand-holding crap app designed for people with little or no imagination or skill. Now I’m going to be forced to use FCE which is much much harder to learn and requires way more processing muscle.
And THAT’s what I think this is all about. People weren’t using FCE and FCP because they could get what they needed in iMovie. This is nothing more than Microsoft-style squeeze to get more people to buy the more expensive apps.
As a graphic designer I also hate the glossy screen and the flimsy keyboard that comes with the new iMac. Then again you don’t want people using prosumer apps and gear for professional purposes do you?
To those of you who argue the iMovie 06 is available I say it’s just the beginning of the end for the iMovie many of us love. Support for 06 will stop sooner than later and It will slowly fade away as system requirements leave it in the dust.
Shame on you Steve Jobs.
PS: Your phone sucks too! Crappy camera & way too expensive.[/quote]
You do not have to use “Final Cut Pro” or “Final Cut Express”. “iLife ‘08″ users are entitled to a free download of “iMovie HD ‘06″!
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
-The One
Dan Connolly said,
August 17, 2007 @ 4:58 am
You do not have to use “Final Cut Pro” or “Final Cut Express”. “iLife ‘08″ users are entitled to a free download of “iMovie HD ‘06″!
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
-The One[/quote]
Please read my post again. Obviously you missed something or you wouldn’t be repeating this mantra.
The One said,
August 17, 2007 @ 5:02 am
Sorry for the mistake! You have already mentioned “iMovie ‘06 HD” in your previous post!
I, in a way, skimmed the entry. I am simply busy with other tasks!
-The One
Dan Connolly said,
August 17, 2007 @ 5:15 am
But really people, it is a new application! Just like the old OS 9 iMovie that only supported DV footage, iMovie ’08’s features will take time to develop!
If I understand you, you’re saying that Apple has completely striped away iMovie’s previous functionality and and features (including anything it ever had in OS9) so they can slowly “develop” them back? That just doesn’t make any kind of sense.
This is purely and simply a business move on Apple’s part to force current users of iMovie to buy more coppies of FCE and FCP. iMovie’s downfall was the fact that it was just too good.
Dan Connolly said,
August 17, 2007 @ 5:20 am
[quote post="46"]But really people, it is a new application! Just like the old OS 9 iMovie that only supported DV footage, iMovie ’08’s features will take time to develop![/quote]
If I understand you, you’re saying that Apple has completely striped away iMovie’s previous functionality and and features (including anything it ever had in OS9) so they can slowly “develop” them back? That just doesn’t make any kind of sense.
This is purely and simply a business move on Apple’s part to force current users of iMovie to buy more coppies of FCE and FCP. iMovie’s downfall was the fact that it was just too good.
The One said,
August 17, 2007 @ 5:29 am
[quote comment="92"][quote post="46"]But really people, it is a new application! Just like the old OS 9 iMovie that only supported DV footage, iMovie ’08’s features will take time to develop![/quote]
[quote comment="92"][quote post="46"]If I understand you, you’re saying that Apple has completely striped away iMovie’s previous functionality and and features (including anything it ever had in OS9) so they can slowly “develop” them back? That just doesn’t make any kind of sense.
This is purely and simply a business move on Apple’s part to force current users of iMovie to buy more coppies of FCE and FCP. iMovie’s downfall was the fact that it was just too good.[/quote]
Only time will tell what Steve Jobs has planned for Apple’s future. Do not pretend as if I am not surprised towards his recent … strategies for Apple and its customers. I VERY AM!
Steve Jobs has been a little risqué, in terms of products, as of late….
-The One
Apple Announces iLife '08! - Mac vs. Windows Forums said,
August 17, 2007 @ 7:35 am
bud said,
August 17, 2007 @ 8:33 am
So, is there anyway to get an upgrade to iMovie HD ‘06 from iMovie HD 5.02? Because the upgrade button in iMovie just tells me about iLife ‘08, and this mac is not fast enough for that. I will probably wait until Leopard ships and buy a new mac then, to get the iLife ‘08 suite. Then perhaps download a free downgrade.
Or maybe iMovie HD 5.02 _IS_ iMovie ‘06?
The One said,
August 17, 2007 @ 9:09 am
[quote comment="95"]So, is there anyway to get an upgrade to iMovie HD ‘06 from iMovie HD 5.02? Because the upgrade button in iMovie just tells me about iLife ‘08, and this mac is not fast enough for that. I will probably wait until Leopard ships and buy a new mac then, to get the iLife ‘08 suite. Then perhaps download a free downgrade.
Or maybe iMovie HD 5.02 _IS_ iMovie ‘06?[/quote]
Some stores such as, Best Buy, sell “iLife ‘06″, for they have not yet acquired Apple’s new merchandise. Fry’s Electronics may also be a good store to look in, considering the one near me still sells the old iMacs and Apple keyboards.
If you do not find iLife at any of these stores, I guess your only route is to purchase it online. “iMovie ‘06″ comes with “iLife ‘06″ and I am sure you can find it at the stores listed above.
Although, I recommend you purchase “iLife ‘08″ and download “iMovie HD ‘06″. Although “iMovie ‘08″ is not supported on your system, and it is not supported on mine either, the rest of “iLife ‘08″ makes it a worthy buy! Either way, you will receive “iMovie HD ‘06″, but with “iLife ‘08″ you will have the latest versions of all your iLife applications!
-The One
Let's Japan.org :: View topic - Sweet Jesus I hate Sony! said,
August 17, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Jamie said,
August 19, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
For my uses it totally sucks. I can’t control a custom built slideshow anywhere near as well, I can’t adjust audio and fade the audio up or down, you also cannot export straight out with chapters to iDVD in an appropriate size. It downsizes the movie, so the quality is not near as good as with the old iMovie. You can however export through Quicktime, I set up the video by exporting to Quicktime at full standard resolution not H.264 compressed 640 x 480, which is what the program tries to export to. Too bad if the video is native widescreen. You can edit it but you lose functionality by trying to export straight to iDVD. It all comes up in a clips pane, but then iDVD crashes sometimes when trying to access the video. I had to drag the clip into iDVD from the finder. All in all, I am utterly unimpressed, I shouldn’t need to go back to using iMovie ‘06 to get a basic video out.
incognito said,
August 20, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
I didn’t know about the controversy when I installed iMovie 08 and I was loving the new features until I wanted to put some subtitles and, WTF, where are the subtitles? How do I lower the volume of the whole project? This is like turning Microsoft Word into TextEdit and calling it an upgrade!
Somebody said,
August 20, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
Those expecting Apple to add the missing features in future updates, good luck. I’m still waiting for my iPhone to send pictures to phones, or include widgets like sports scores and movie listings.
Apple is slowly turning into Microsoft and they don’t even notice it.
Jack O'B said,
August 28, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
[quote comment="19"]sheesh! just use ‘06.[/quote]
Yeah, well, most of us didn’t go spend 80 bucks so that we could use the version of iMovie that we already had, genius. As much as I want to give up my money for absolutely nothing…
The One said,
August 29, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
[quote comment="104"][quote comment="19"]sheesh! just use ‘06.[/quote]
[quote post="46"]Yeah, well, most of us didn’t go spend 80 bucks so that we could use the version of iMovie that we already had, genius. As much as I want to give up my money for absolutely nothing…[/quote]
The other applications, besides “iMovie ‘08″, are worth the $79. Oh, how I wish I had the new version of GarageBand!
I do, luckily, have “iWork ‘08″, which offers WAY more features than Office has and ever will at only $79!
The next version of “Microsoft Office for Mac” is expected to be priced between $150-$500, and yet it contains less features! ARE THEY MAD?
But, back to “iLife ‘08″. All of the applications, excluding “iMovie ‘08″ are worth the price, and it would be interesting to use both “iMovie ‘08″ and “iMovie HD ‘06″. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and can both be used to one’s advantage.
-The One
Dan Connolly said,
August 29, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
But, back to “iLife ‘08″. All of the applications, excluding “iMovie ‘08″ are worth the price, and it would be interesting to use both “iMovie ‘08″ and “iMovie HD ‘06″. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and can both be used to one’s advantage.
-The One[/quote]
It’s not worth the price if it doesn’t do what you want it to.
captain_taybin: stop motion movie said,
September 14, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
SyB said,
September 21, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
I have been tempted to throw my mac out of the window…..I am so disillusioned with them at the mo. First I had ilife08 installed and that has made any transfer from imovieHD06 to idvd impossible as it tells me that i have missing clips and then it tells me that my itune songs are not authorised!! If anyone has any advice, I’d be grateful (or the MAC gets it!)
MacHeist » Forums » iMovie '08 Controversy said,
December 18, 2007 @ 1:56 am
S.Denes said,
February 3, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
I edited 3 short school movies on iMovieHD, and was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to figure the program out. I use background music fading in and out as the kids talk.
Now this new iMovie cannot do that easily, or maybe cannot do it at all. I am very frustrated..
Once I watched the tutorial video, the program is quite easy to use otherwise.
I like the way it lists the “events”, and very easy to move and organize the clips…but that audio thing is very annoying.
I have the new Final Cut Express, that I never used before, but for this particular project I am doing now, it would have been time consuming to import the clips, so I decided to start to relearn iMovie. Also, I don’t like the idea, that for titles and audio I have to go outside of the program.
Anyway, Have you figured out a solution for iMovie’s audio yet?
Also, do you thing Soundtrak could be integrated with iMovie…
thanks for any info:
[...] and we also know that iMovie has been revamped.I need not say more, for my opinions can be found on these websites.What do you think? 〈〈〈 my website 〉〉〉
my e-mail is
falucskai@sbcglobal.net
susie
This new [quote comment=""]
Offline [...][/quote]
[quote comment="29"]“Also, making iMovie HD and iMovie ‘08 two separate apps would just confuse people.”
Ummm…they ARE!
I’ve been using a Mac since the days of PageMaker Version 1, and I’ve never seen a more egregious example of Mac zealotry than I’m witnessing here. People–they left out CHAPTER STOPS, for crying out loud! What good is iDVD? Oh, that’s right: King Steve says “some people still like to make DVDs”, as though it’s an antiquated technology not worthy of his attention.
I’ve never seen Apple take so many features OUT of a product with a new revision. Those of us that really use all the features of iMovie HD understand just how much of a mess this new version is.
And using an old version is not the answer, either. iLife apps tend to be very tightly integrated, and you can bet Apple won’t support iMovie HD anywhere near as well as this new hobbled disappointment.
And to “nate”, who quoted Apple thusly: “adjust the audio levels for each clip to give your movie a consistent, comfortable volume.”, that’s exactly the problem. I need to be able to edit audio WITHIN the clip. I could give you examples, but it would be pointless. Bottom line the fact that instead of three audio clips with adjustable volumes we now have (essentially) one with the ability to only adjust globally for the whole clip–that’s ridiculous.
Anyway. I won’t convince the casual user. But this is a mess, sorry.[/quote]
The One said,
February 4, 2008 @ 6:15 pm
[quote comment="360"]I edited 3 short school movies on iMovieHD, and was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to figure the program out. I use background music fading in and out as the kids talk.
Now this new iMovie cannot do that easily, or maybe cannot do it at all. I am very frustrated..
Once I watched the tutorial video, the program is quite easy to use otherwise.
I like the way it lists the “events”, and very easy to move and organize the clips…but that audio thing is very annoying.
I have the new Final Cut Express, that I never used before, but for this particular project I am doing now, it would have been time consuming to import the clips, so I decided to start to relearn iMovie. Also, I don’t like the idea, that for titles and audio I have to go outside of the program.
Anyway, Have you figured out a solution for iMovie’s audio yet?
Also, do you thing Soundtrak could be integrated with iMovie…
thanks for any info:
[...] and we also know that iMovie has been revamped.I need not say more, for my opinions can be found on these websites.What do you think? 〈〈〈 my website 〉〉〉
my e-mail is
falucskai@sbcglobal.net
susie
This new [quote comment=""]
Offline [...][/quote]
[quote comment="29"]“Also, making iMovie HD and iMovie ‘08 two separate apps would just confuse people.”
Ummm…they ARE!
I’ve been using a Mac since the days of PageMaker Version 1, and I’ve never seen a more egregious example of Mac zealotry than I’m witnessing here. People–they left out CHAPTER STOPS, for crying out loud! What good is iDVD? Oh, that’s right: King Steve says “some people still like to make DVDs”, as though it’s an antiquated technology not worthy of his attention.
I’ve never seen Apple take so many features OUT of a product with a new revision. Those of us that really use all the features of iMovie HD understand just how much of a mess this new version is.
And using an old version is not the answer, either. iLife apps tend to be very tightly integrated, and you can bet Apple won’t support iMovie HD anywhere near as well as this new hobbled disappointment.
And to “nate”, who quoted Apple thusly: “adjust the audio levels for each clip to give your movie a consistent, comfortable volume.”, that’s exactly the problem. I need to be able to edit audio WITHIN the clip. I could give you examples, but it would be pointless. Bottom line the fact that instead of three audio clips with adjustable volumes we now have (essentially) one with the ability to only adjust globally for the whole clip–that’s ridiculous.
Anyway. I won’t convince the casual user. But this is a mess, sorry.[/quote][/quote]
[...] and we also know that iMovie has been revamped.I need not say more, for my opinions can be found on these websites.What do you think? 〈〈〈 my website 〉〉〉
[quote comment=""]
Offline [...][/quote]
Um, why not use the previous iMovie HD?
-The One
imovie 08 sucks download imovie 06 - Web - WebCrawler said,
January 1, 2009 @ 3:21 pm